VISWAKARMAS CONSIDER AS BRAHMINS, BUT THE DIEFFERENCE IS THEY ARE THE FOLLOWERS OF VISWAJANYA ONE SON OF VISWAKARMA, AND OTHER BRAHMINS ARE DAIVAJNA BRAHMINS.
Friends,
Instances of Viswakarmas say they are also Brahmins and equal to other Brahmin groups have come to light. In north India they even call themselves as SARMAS. VISWAKARMAS are are VISWA BRAHMINS who are “MANU relates to the iron work, MAYA for the wooden work, TWASHTA for the bronze, SHILPI for the stone carving and VISHWAJNA for the gold work.”
The difference between us and VISWABRAHMINS is while we are said to be DAIVAJNA (दैवज्ञ) Brahmins while they are followers of Viswajanya, one son of Viswakarma. Viswakarma is the ultimate GOD or PARABRHMA . The Vedas define Parabrahma as “Vishwakarma is visualized as the Ultimate reality in Rig veda, from whose navel all visible things emanate. The same imagery is seen in Yajurveda purusha sukta, where the divine smith Tvastar originates from Vishwakarma. This concept developed later in the puranic period as Padmanabha. As he is invoked as AJA the unborn, he is the primordial personification of the upanishadic abstract concept Parabrahman. This makes the difference, While we brahmins are vorn as sons of “PARABRAHMA” they are born as the sons of one of HIS sons, called VISWAJANYA.
Viswa Brahmins are called in TAMIL NADU as “Vishvabrahmins or Kamaalar or Aachari or Aasaari in Tamil Nadu form several occupational subdivisions.
Assari, Swarna Shilpis (goldsmiths) (surnames Pathar, Assari, Arkachari/Arkachary,in some areas in Tamil Nadu, Srilanka, especially around Thanjavur, Kumbakonam in India and Mattakalapu(Batticalo), Nachimarkovil(Jaffna) In Srilanka)
(1) Kamsya Shilpis (Silver and bronze smiths)
(2) Ayo Shilpis (ironsmiths)
(3) Daru Shilpis (Carpenters)
(5) Rathi Shilpis (Stone masons )
In Kerala they are called as “Vishvakarmas of Kerala, also known as Achary or Viswabrahmins. They are classified into various sub-castes.
(1) Marayasari (carpenters)
(2) Kallassari/Shilpi (masons, sculptors)
(3) Moosari (bronzesmiths)
(4) Thattan (goldsmiths)
(5) Kollan/Karuvan (blacksmiths)
In Karnataka they are known as :- “The Vishwakarma caste of south Karnataka is composed of several sub-castes.
(1) The Kulachars
(2) The Shivachars [achariya]
(3) The Uttaradi goldsmiths
(4) The Matachar founders
(5) The Muddekammaras and (6) The Doddamanes
The Vishwa caste of south Karnataka is composed of several sub-castes.
Most of these sub-castes do not intermarry and have a hierarchy among themselves . All the sub-castes worships the goddess Kali, they are very similar to Brahmins in their ritual practices but few of them are non-vegetarians as some other Brahmin community eat Fish addressing it as "Jala Pushpam" (Flower from water)
The Sankruthi Sahiti Prathishtana is a prominent organization from Karnataka working to bring the Vishwabrahmins back to a vaidic life style. G. Gnanananda, is running this organization and started Brahmshri shilpa gurukulam affiliated with Bangalore University at Chikballapur
In Andhra Pradesh they are broadly classified as :-
(1) Kammari (Black Smith)
(2) Vadrangi / Vadla (Carpenter)
(3) Kanchari / Kanchara (Brass / Bronze Smith)
(4 Sculptor ( Masons/Sculptors )
(5) Kamsali / Ausula (Gold / Silver Smith
They follow the undermentioned GOTHRA SYSTEM :-
Vishvabrahmins are divided into five gotras or clans, each Rishi's name is mentioned in the Yajurveda. (4.3.3)
Sanaga (Son of Manu (Shiva))
Sanatana (Son of Maya (Vishnu))
Abhuvana (Son of Tvashtha (Brahma of four faces))
Pratanan (Son of Silpi (Indra)
Suparna (Son of Vishvajna (Surya))[5]
The five gotras are further divided into a total of 25 sub-clans called upagotras.
We brahmins belong to SAPTHA RISI TRADITION in which all other gothras are included . The SAPTHA RISHIS ARE :- (1) KRATHU (2) PULAHA (3) PULASTHYA (4) ATHRI (5) ANGEERASA (6) VASISHTA and (7) BRIGU as per Astrological Terms and as per our Sandhyavandana Book are (1) Atri, (2) Bhrigu, (3) Kutsa, (4) Vasishtha, (5) Gautama, (6) Kashyapa and (7) Angirasa. Some brahmins include (8) Vishwamitra and (9) Jamadagni also. Krishna Yajurveda to which I belong say (1) Aangeerasa (2) Athri (3) Bhrigu (4) Gauthama (5) Kashyapa (6) Kutsa (7) Vasishta. The names of Saptha Rishis are varying in different books. All other gothras in which we belong are only sub-gothras of the Saptha Rishi Gothra. Some of them are given below :-
(1 Agastya (2) Atresa / Atri (3) Alambani (4) Angad (5) Angirasa (5) Ahabhunasa (6) Aupamanyava (7) Babhravya (8) Bharadwaj (9) Bhargava (10) Bhakdi (11) Bhaskara (12) Chandilya (13) Chandilya (14) Charora (15)) Chikitasa (16) Chyavana (17) Dadhichi (18) Okshnish (19) Dalabhya (20) Darbhas (21) Galvasaya (22) Garga (23) Gautama (24) Gaubhilya (25) Ghrit Kausika (26) Haritha/Haritasa (27) HukmanBhal(28)Jamadagni(29)Jatukarna(30Kalabodhana/Kalaboudha/Kalabhavasa(29) Kamakayana Vishwamitra (31) Kanwa (34) Kausikasa (35) Kapil (35) Kapinjala (36) Kashyapa (37) Kaundinya (38) Kaunsh (39) Kaushik/Koshik/Koushik,Kushika/Ghrit kaushika (40) Kaustubha (41) Kausyagasa (42) Kavist (43) Katyayana (44) Krishnatriya or Krishnatreeya (45) Kundina Gowtama (46) Mandavya (47) Marichi (48) Markandeya (49) Mauna Bhargava (50) Maharshi (51) Matanga (52) Maudgalya Moudgalya (53) Mudgala (Maudgalya, Moudgil, Modgil, Mudgal) (54) Mudgal (55) Mihirayan (56) Naidhruva (57) Nithunthana/Naithunthasa (58) Nydravakashyapa (59) Nrisimhadevara (60) Parashara (61) Parthivasa (62) Pouragutsya (63) Punagashella (64 Patharayana (65) Ratheetarasa (66) Purang (67) Pradnya (68) Rathitara (69) Rohinya (70) Rauksaayana (71) Saminathen (72) Salankayana (73) Sanaka (74) Sanaga (75) Sankhyayana (76) Sankrithi(Sankrityayan) (77) Sankyanasa (78) Sathamarshana (79) Shandilya , sanas (80) Sandilyasa (81) Shandelosya (82) Saawarna (83) Saharia Joshi (84) Sauparna (85) Savarni (86) Somnasser (87) Pratanansya (88) Saankritya(Sakarawar) (89) Soral (90) Srivatsa (91) Sumarkanth (92) Suryadhwaja (93) Shaktri (94) Shaunaka (95) Sravanvaitas (96) Surya (97) Swatantra Kapisa (98) Tugnait (99) Roushayadana (100) Upadhyay (101) Upmanyu (Upamanyu) (102) Upreti (103) Vadula (104) Valmiki (105) Vardhviyasa (106) Vardhulasa (107) Vardhyswasa (108) Vashista (109) Vatsa (110) Vatsyayan (111) Veetahavya (112) Vishnuvardhana (113) Vishnuvruddha (114) Valmiki (115) Vishvagni (116) Vaidya/Baidya (117) Vartantu (118) Vishwagni (119) Usatsya
Note : It is to be noted that Vishwamitra was initially a Kshatriya king, who later chose and rose to become an ascetic rishi. Hence the gotra was applied to the grouping stemming from one of these rishis as his descendants. PLEASE ALSO SEE GOTHRA PATHRIKA WEB PAGE.
Friends, when anyone who is young in age, meets another brahmin who is elderly to him he should salute the elderly person by saying his gothra, Pravara Soothra and to which branch ( RIG, YAJUR OR SAMMA ) . A typical salutation is “"Abhivaadaye, Gothra, Pravara (S)To which gothra the younger one belongs, Sutrah,which Shakha one belongs , (NAME) Sarmaa Naamaaham Asmi Bhoh!" This can be also used to test a person to know whether one is a brahmin or not.
Friends ,The information, herein, are taken from different sites and not my own. I am giving this only in my own GROUP to avoid unnecessary criticism. If any group leader wants to publish it as authored by me, they are at liberty. AMONG SAPTHA RISHIS , I FIND DIFFERENT VERSIONS.
Regards to one and all and NAMASKARAMS,
P.R.RADHAKRISHNAN
134 comments:
I agreed and accepted your view point. Your article is very good,
main paradox is that we are ViswaBrahmins, unaware about their supreme existence due to some illusion, or maaya.
Thanks
V. Anandakrishnan
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Can a boy from Viswabrahmin marry A Kanyakubj brahmin girl. Pl reply
This is very interesting. In this 21st Century, and we live without clearly knowing the roots of our birth and death, still fighting to claim the caste. While you look the gene of the south indians most of them may look the same especially the viwswakarmas and brahmins. When the adminstration and working class split one point in time under the Raj rule, anything could have happened. Power and absolute power rules. No question about it. Therefore, caste took its root so harsh and which was an obvious outcome. Though the people separated in terms of caste, the British brought them back giving them freedom, without malice towards freedom fighters. Now is the time we should think about humanity ignoring the caste cards and feel like one as humans.
First off all I know now every one know aadishankaracharya belongs to vishwakarma caste. And diwagna vomes under vishwbramhana caste if you want check it in vishwakarma and his decendants.. how bramhans are lower caste people we vishwakarma people have proved it you can read in it..
Can anyone help me where I can read it
anyone arguing that foolishly diwagna bramhins comes under bramhins i want to ask them first go read vedas or ho have a nap and dont write anything that is fake saying that diwagnas comes under bramhin cult and if we see in 125upghotras we clearly find diwagna bramhins in vishwakarma caste and even vishwakarma people dont want diwagnas under vishwakarma caste as diwagnas are wicked minded and they come running to us when government gives merits and yes we certailnly like to remove our own upagotra diwagna bramhana or called as devapala in rigveda from itand it wont make any diffrence by removing diwagnas we are veryhappy to remove them from our vishwakarma caste let them have proof for what they are asking there caste to be vanished in puranas and vedas beloging to vishwakarma caste and to vanish there caste by having no proof ......
good post
I am confused , Vishwabrahmin and Vishwakarma Are NOT a same caste ?
No vishwakarma is not a caste name. It is a supreme lord name. We are his descendants and we were called as vishwabrahmana
Dear vipra,
U r talking like gnani and u r. But don't u know vishwakarma is not a caste name our. vishwakarma is the name of supreme lord Parabrahma vishwakarma. Is any caste is there with gods name in the world? How foolishness is this, we people only not clarifying the people that, we are not vishwakarma, He is our lord and we were his descendants and we were called as Brahman (Vishwabrahmans) because we were born from five Brahmas they are Manubrahma (Shiva), Mayabrahma (Vishnu), Twasthabrahma (four face Brahma), Shilpabrahma (Indra) and VishwagnaBrahma (Surya) who were born form five faces of Vishwakarma parabrahma. Instead of saying Vishwabrahman u r saying Vishwakarma caste and miss guiding them. Can I have ur mail id for future discussion. My mail id- vedapathakg@gmail.com
Vishwabrahmins are descendants of Supreme lord Vishwakarma parabrahma and they follow all five sons of him they are Shiva, Vishnu, Brahma, Indra and Surya and five Vedas Rigveda, yajurveda, samaveda, atharvanaveda and pranavaveda. And they were first pure Brahman race amoung Brahmins.
Hello. sandhya vandanam vishwabrahmins do daily three times and they are the founder such rituals yar how they cannot perform it. What a foolish question urs is.
We are also happy if u not come under Vishwabrahmins but why u people took "Vishwabrahma kulotsaha" book of Vishwabrahmins in the case of Gokarna to proo that u people are brahmins and u have rights for pooja of mahabaleshwar in gokarna.
There are more than 3vishwakarmas viraatvishwakarma(her wife gayatradevi called as parabramhini, vedamata and him as vedapita)and he is called as pararamha or purusha or hiranyagarbha. 2)devashilpi vishwakarma son of lord bramha who built weapons and lokas to gods . and bhavana vishwakarma who built temples and palaces and aeroplanes . and viraat vishwakarma or known as parabramha and his descendants are called vishwabramhanas. And virat purusha has five faces 1)sadjyotha from this face manu (lord shiva ) was born. 2)vamadeva from this face Maya(lord Vishnu) was born . 3)aghora face twashta(lord bramha with five faces was born and later he had only four faces known as chaturmukha bramha) 4)tatpurusha face shilpa(lord Indra) was born 5)ishana face vishwagna(lord surya) was born . and in viahwagnas who perform pooja and purohit and rituals are called as devabramhanas or diwagnas.as dayanad pathak said they won in argument at gokarna using book vishwabramhana kuloshtakam. And vishwabramhanas invented all shastras such as jyotirshastra,vaastushastra,vivahashastra,panchanga, and even engineering,science,and technology. And you can read about burst via he a karma in Vedas only. As he is parabramha he has been described in main part Vedas,and veerabramhendra swampy charitra,mauneshwara charitre. And you can read about varieties of viahwakarmas in puranas And scriptures.and some of viahwakarmas are non vegetarians as they were illitrates they have started to eat nonvegetarian from 300 to 400 years back. Even if some people argue that vishwakrma are obc, low caste etc. It wont matter even if you believe elephant as elephant it is elephant.even if people think elephant as wolf or snake it would be elephant it won't change. Even if people believe vishwabramhanas as real bramhanas they are real bramhanas. Even if people don't believe us as brahmins itwont change anything even then they would be true bramhanas.
hi sir name is aditya
iam also gold smith
my sur name is tamiri
what is my gotram my parents
told santhimathi gotram
is this correct
Shanthimathi comes in mayabramharshi gotra (lord Vishnu) born from 2ndface of five faces of vishwakarma followers of yagurveda . and goddess parashakthi. And inventors of vyakarnashastra And work is woodwork. And gotras comes from fathers family . if needed more detailed information read veerabramhendraswamy charitre book available in online. Don't read it in websites in which most of them are fake. You can buy it at amazon if you want more books goto website viswakarmasuvarnakar.jimdo.com there you find lot of vishwakarma secret books copy which are not available anywhere. Veerabramhendraswamysampoorna jivana charitra book gives detailed information about us in 2nd chapter devabramhanarahasya.
God himself told all this to u ppl?i mean same argument of veda n all ancient books..
Now vedas were written by some person n not god himself..it was written around 5c BC..before tat who was who??
Kamal karte ho pandeyji..
really good post ...i want to more details such as caste order list ....
Sanaga, Sanatana, Ahabhuna, Pratna, Suparna are the first Brahmarishis in the world who were originated from Manu(Shiva), Maya(Vishnu), Twastha(Brahma), Daivagna/Shilpi(Indra), Vishwagna(Surya) respectively, and they are authors of Vedas
ಋಗ್ವೇದ ಮನ್ಸುಚೈವ ಯಜುರ್ವೇದ ಮಯ್ಸತಥಾ
ತ್ವಷ್ಟಾಚ ಸಾಮವೇದಚ ಅಥರ್ವಣೊ ಶಿಲ್ಪಿಕಾ ತಥಾ
ವಿಶ್ವಜ್ಞ ಪ್ರಣವವೇದಚ ಪಂಚವೇದಂತು ಬ್ರಾಹ್ಮಣ - ವಿಶ್ವಬ್ರಹ್ಮೊಪನ್ನಿಷತ್.
As which is said in Yajurveda and in vasistha Purana vasistha said to his discipline shounika.
No. Vishwabrahmanas should marry only Vishwabrahaman girls/boys. Vishwabrahmanas are the flow of Pancha brahmas like Shiva, Vishnu, Brahma, Indra, Surya and their respective Brahmarishis like Sanaga, Sanatana, Ahabhuna, Pratna, Suparna. And their great traditions and cultures.
Please tell me this article author name and is contact things like email, Mobile number, Facebook etc.
hello sir
i m Shrikant Shinde
i m maharashtrian
I m frm panchaal brahman(vishwabrahmin)samaj
Plz sir tell me is that shinde sir name comes in brahman caste and can we indicate our caste as directly brahmin on our caste related documents such as school leaving...
And sir plz tell me one thing also that can vishwabrahmin marry with the deshastha bramins
Plz sir plz do reply me
Why Daivagna Brahmins take Vishwabrahmana history for proving themselves as brahmans,
Is Daivagna Brahmins have their own history?
Why these people are not called as Vishwabrahmana/smartha/vaishnava?
Vishwabrahmanas are having their own history. And smartha and vaishnabrahmins for their saptarishis and their culture history they say. I want to know which is that Veda or history that talks about word Daiwagna.
Vishwabrahmanas are born from five Brahmarishis they have their own history. Saptharishi Brahmans(smartha and Vaishnava) have their history of saptarishis. If Daivagnabrahmins also have saptarishis gotra then why they not considerd under smartha or vaishnava race, why separate race as Daivagnabrahmins?
Why only Daivagna Brahmins have Vishwabrahmana gotras like sanaka, sanaga, sanatana, ahabhuna, pratna, suparna, upamanyu, sankhyayana, upamaya etc.
If u are a gold Smith it doesn't mean that u are vishwabrahman only, it is not like who start gold business they can become a vishwabrahman, and not all the gold smiths or who have gold business they are all vishwabrahmans. And not such gotra we found in Vishwabrahman gotras. Your gotta may comes under Jain just check it
Good comment, but don't discuss unnessary mattars. Non veg people are their in every caste, that should not be done. And Mr don't say few are eating from 300 to 400 Years what rubbish.
yeah dayanand vedapathak all are trying to call themselves as vishwabramhanas now recently a meeting was held by nanjudi for his political benifits he is saying anyone doing the goldsmitha nd others can join vishwakarma bramhana caste what kind of fool is kp nanajundi. he even doesnt we are descended from viratvishwakarma and have followed the same lineage. and corrupting and going for intercaste maariage as said in garudapuran is just like going to hell and the son or daughter born to a vishwabramhana and other intercaste people son\sons are called chandala for boy and chandali for girl. as said in garudapurana. and you have told correctly dayanand vedapathak why should have this unwanted and foolish argumenting diwagnabramhanas took our book vishwabramhana kuloshta to prove themselves as bramhanas in the conflict of gokarna temple authority case in court you want our book to prove yourselves as bramhanas(here reffering and asking question to diwagnabramhanas) and why you have our similar vishwabramhana gotras (and we even now dont want this cunning diwagna bramhins to join us who will jump anywhere for there benifits even if they show interset to join us ) any how we should make any idea that we should make some modifications in puranas and vishwabramhanasgotras and at any cost remove them from which shows that they are descendants of vishwakarma and then they will come to know no one will accept them as we vishwakarma people would have erased the proof of diwagna bramhanas as there descendants. and thanks to dayanand vedapathak who is well knowleged and i personally believe that only some are there who know about vishwakarma people and people like you should always be there to protect the vishwabramhana people from all. (AND WE SHOULD EVEN KNOW THAT ONLY SOUTHINDIAN PEOPLE ARE CALLED TRUE DESCENDANTS OF VIRAAT VISHWAKARMA AND GAYATARADEVI AND NORTH INDIAN PEOPLE ARE DESCENDANTS OF BHAUVANAVISHWAKARMA AND A LOW __STE GIRL AND EVEN BHAUVANA VISHWAKARMA HAD 5 SONS AND HE EVEN NAMED THEM AS VIRAATVISHWAKARMA SONS NAME IN RESPECT OF HIS RESPECTED GOD(BHAUVANA VISHWAKARMA USED TO PRAY VIRAATVISHWAKARMA) AND SOME PURANAS EVEN JUSTIFY THIS).
well..m vishwabrahmin n my gotra iz sandilya...but i hv found this gotra in bhumihar brahmin,brahmin,bengali brahmin...iz it possible?
well..m vishwabrahmin n my gotra iz sandilya...but i hv found this gotra in bhumihar brahmin,brahmin,bengali brahmin...iz it possible?
yes we are called as vishwabramhanas even north indian vishwakarmas are also like far relations of viraatvishwakarma can mail me for more questions and confusions and information about viraat vishwakarma and gayatradevi and there descendants. i will try to give share my information and take information from others too.
I am Dinesh .... Vishwakarma caste. I need to know gotram. My father said we are agnasaesa rishi gotram. I don't know exactly. Please tell me exact gotram
I am Dinesh .... Vishwakarma caste. I need to know gotram. My father said we are agnasaesa rishi gotram. I don't know exactly. Please tell me exact gotram
Hi my name is Abhishek Sharma and I come under vishwakarma caste is there any way to marry a girl in mishra by the ways of this caste system since I read from above comments that vishwakarma also are brahmins
Hi my name is Abhishek Sharma and I come under vishwakarma caste is there any way to marry a girl in mishra by the ways of this caste system since I read from above comments that vishwakarma also are brahmins
Hi my que is suparnasa gotra and prana Veda which type sandya vandanam we should do I didn't any book on this or post either help me with This
First of all I do not want to claim some caste to be of higher than another ( at best they are just different ) . My question to the author of this blog is that you claim that you are sons of PARABRAHMA and you also claim that Viswakarma is the ultimate GOD which mean you are the sons of Viswakarma.(to quote verbatim from your blog : "Viswakarma is the ultimate GOD or PARABRHMA" and "we brahmins are vorn as sons of “PARABRAHMA” ). Now if that is so than what is stopping you from calling yourself as a Viswakarma. Why do you want to create a distinct entity called a "brahmin" when your claims loudly say that you are non other than a Viswakarma !!!.
Hello mister.
I have already said in above comments that Vishwakarma is name of supreme lord. And descendants of that Virat Vishwakarma parabrahma are brahmans. Like how we call pandu's sons as pandavas or kunti's sons as kounteya, Raghava for descendants of Raghu. Like wise descendants of Parabrahma are called Brahmana. Knowadays we have many brahmin race in society so to recognize our brahmans who are born from pancha brahmarshi we say Pourusheya Brahmans/Vishwabrahmanas / Vishwakarma Brahmans / Vaishwabrahmans / Vishwakarma Brahmans. And we are not saying that somebody is stopping us form calling Vishwakarma. Your question is absolutely wrong.
Your statement is like " why we should call kounteya for arjun why not kunti". Hello sir kunti is his mother and not he. Like wise Vishwakarma Parabrahma's descendants are called as Brahmans / Pourushey Brahmans / Vaishwabrahmanas / Vaishwakarman Brahmans / Vishwabrahmans. I hope u got.
My name is Santosh Vishwakarma & I belongs to north india. I want to know that bhardawaj gothra comes under vishwabrahmin gothras because i belongs to this & also we belongs to carpenter. is it under panch rishi gothra or sapth rishi gothra? if belongs to sapth rishi gothra then we belongs pure vishwa brahmins or not? Also, clear that rishi bhardwaj belongs to vishwabrahmins? Pls. reply as soon as possible.
Can I know Mr where I have talked unnecessary matters and rubbish . can you please describe me. And what points you found out to be mainly rubbish and as I know dayanand you only know about 5gotras which you have read in veerabramhendra swamy charita I have read rigveda,yajurveda, and varieties of puranas and if I am talking rubbish you who knows onlly about 5 gotras and who is still in the pond and tells who is in river as rubbish isn't it a joke. If you want more info mail me at ajeyarudra@gmail.com directly so that there may be no further confusion in you. And that you may be fully knowledged by holy Vedas and puranas if you want I will send a copy to you
All you want is vishwakarma is as supreme god just mail to me so that I may send some genuine books which has been maintained from centuries from the corruption of some so called higher people recognized in the society and they are even working now to erase the truth such as you and do you know what sir we have grown strong to keep safe the real know Vedas and puranas safely without modification..
Shrawan vishwakarma mail me at ajeyarudra@gmail.com to get the text copy to mail and please don't use it for redistribution because I only have purchased it from others who have the copyright. And you can just take xerox copy of the copy's I send or directly contact the author
Even it is there
Quite interesting about Lord Vishwakarma and his descendants, and debate upon the idea is much more interesting.However, i would grateful if i could some genuine documents which proves the claim of the author. I am from Nepal by the way.
By the way, my email address: reallyarjun@gmail.com
Dear All,
I have been closely reading all your query and answers. Viswakarma is only a community. The sub-castes/sub-sects include iron, goldsmiths, carpenters, metallurgist, stone sthapathi. All 5 jobs are classified under the Viswakarma or Viswakrmabrahmin community.
Regarding Gothras, from the face of Panchamukha Viswakarma, Pancha rishis originated and all the five jobs were initiated by them. Based on the comments here, I understand that some people intentionally project that goldsmiths are superior to others because thy play with gold. It is not certainly the fact but an illusion.
All viswabrahmins will have pravaram based on their sub-sect job and the lineage of rishis, who formulated the Rig, Yajur, Sama, Atharavana and Pranava veda. Strictly speaking, the fifth veda, Pranav veda, and the pravara rishi is Suparnasa Rishi. All goldsmiths come under the Suparnasa rishi gothram but somewhere down the lineage things would have changed and many are not aware of this, so they may refute my comment. Their soothrams might be Apastambam, Aswalayanam, Bodhaayanam and come under the Saptharishi-Pravara rishi group namely yekarishaye, Dwithirishaye, thriyarishaye. Based on these permutations, there are 5 sub castes and 25 sub gothras within each subclass of rishis. Altogether some 125 gothra categories emerge. Confusing.. right? But it is true. Many are not aware of this. These 5 categories have different designs of sandal paste to apply on their foreheads like Thripurandharam, Oorthuva purantharam, pattaakaaram, vaarthulakaaram, Thripuranthara Ghandhakshatha. I don't think all are following this. Simply they apply, vibuthir or sandal paste horizontally or as dot.
Lord Vishnu who is to be the Kalki Avathar is set to be born in this caste only. So, all I would say is that Viswabrahmins will rise up to glory. Virat Sri Veerabrammendraswami has strongly propagated this. Viswabrhmns will occupy the Advaitha peethams of Adisankara in another 50-100 years in future.
All viswakarmas have split or had intercaste marriages or inter sub-sect marriages and so eventually would have had a change in vamsa gothram, veda, pravaram etc. Someone here had asked if a viswakarma brahmin boy can marry a brahmin girl? Yes. the scriptures call this as Anuloma, Prathiloma exchanges. We are too afraid to speak on upper/lower caste in the present day context. I have shared my little knowledge with you on the relevant topic. Of course, there might be some more scholars over here who could enlight on a wider scope.
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Can a vishwabhramin marry smartha bhramin?
I want to know is Jangid Brahman are comes in brahman catagory.....they are also belonging to vishwkarmas
Is Jangid Brahman are also Real Brahman..they also comes in Vishwkarmas
Is Jangid Brahman are also Real Brahman..they also comes in Vishwkarmas
Is Jangid Brahman are also Real Brahman..they also comes in Vishwkarmas
Is Jangid Brahman are also Real Brahman..they also comes in Vishwkarmas
For your kind information youare entirely wrong let me tell some information and cases won by our people's in courts against brahmins and from various scriptures and don't disgrace with your no knowledge about Vishwakarma and Vishwabrahmama please if you want to get enlightment by my little knowledge which I was able to gain please mail me at ajeyarudra@gmail.com and if we are considered above untouchables then brahmins and all people can be considered as below animals or even below.
bikram dhiman what is the meaning of obc (other backward caste) mean please know it who are below the poverty line and etc etc are called as obc. not untouchables you could have mailed me but no. ok atleast go and visit vishwakarmasuvarnakar page in google for some info you can get or go to vedas that are available before 10 years and see the website http://devipuran.com and first investigte and talk people without knowing dont talk(the fish in a aquarium thinks that nothing more can me more than it it has even seen a lake, nor river nor ocean, and it says this is everything due to its limitness of things it knows.
Nice ajeya ji...u hv given a best answer to these kind of people...if he is really brahman then he will neve done like this kind of misbehavior with others...if ur have really knowledge abt any topic then u have to right to speek... otherwise u going to become a joke... first of all go and read the all vedaas and puraanas which is made by the Ved Mataa Gayatri Devi...u won't hv a knowledge mr.Dhiman Gayatri Mata is the wife of Lord Viraat Vishwakarma who is the parabhramha...if u r still criticizing us then u hv to consider that u don't have an exiexistence on earth...
@ article
article is pure Bullshit
This article sounds like Ordinary Brahmins vs Vishwakarma Brahmins
But there were No brahmins , No caste system during the vedic period .
The truth is there was No temple in vedic civilization, whole universe is considered Almighty Brahman .
Vishwakarma community is very ancient than any brahmin community, it also proved that vedic civilization was not just about animal hunting and agriculture and animal husbandry,
vedic civilization has its advancement in engineering ,technical field and chemistry and weaponry and medical fields ,mathematics etc .
Caste based society came later age where Brahminism ,Kshatriyaism , vaishyaism are nothing but different institutional structure of society it has nothing to do with supremacy of one to other.
Very knowledgeable and important information.
Even sapta rishi are brahma's manasa putra only.there are kshatriya claned peoples also in sapta rishis.hiw can i accept a fisher woman's son as brahmin.but vishwa brahmanas not like that.we are brahmans by birth.we are not manasa puthra of brahma but genarations of vishwakarma.we already defeated u so many time in front of court(refer chittoor adhalat court judgement and panchal's struggle).
Does sudras have prana prathista right in inauguration temples rituals.does any sudras involves in temple construction?does any sudra have named as STHAPATHI?Atleast google that word sthapathi then you can draw lineage of us(sthapatha veda). we proved our brahmatvam(not mixed race)in so many debates in front of courts.so now its ur duty to prove your brahmatvam.just ask some gud and very well known veda pandits.they will give you some hints about us.actually vishwa brahmins are POURSHEYA brahmins.
Oh im sorry dude.just ask them to shoe their brahmatva.how many of their rishi are brahmans by birth.how many of them are born for a brahmin father and brahmin mother in their sapta rishis list.and say to them refer all vedic scripture including ramayana,maha bharata,skandapuranam,5 vedas(pranava veda-based on engineering,light,energy matters,engineering is the department of vishwabrahmanas so they hided to preach bring defame to us)each of the above mentioned puranas are praised prabrahma virat vishwaroopa virat purush vishwakarma.aks them what is the duty of saptarishis.they have to be in yoga margam,yachakam or bodhana(teacher).they dont have rights to perform pujas in temple.they are againts their ancestor rishis way.im sure if u ask this question they have no word to reply to you.pakka
There is nothing like saptha,ashta things in shaivism.every thing is pancha roopam,panchamrutham,panchaksharam,pancha bootham,panchashakthi,pancha vedam,pancha rishi(us) etc.,and one more important point upcoming kalki avatar is belonga to our caste.google about srimath virat veeranrahmendra swamy.you can get so many information about us.sivaya nama.
how many Vedas are there , I thought it must be Four Vedas but Vishwabrahmans says there are totally Five Vedas , Is this True ? anybody care to answer
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Dear Lokesh / Rajah / Ajeyarudra,
Panchavedham is true. The four Vedas that we know and hear now had originated from the PRANAVA Veda. This was the original form as presented by Brahma rishi Mayan. The forthcoming Kalki has already taken birth. He is the incarnation of Siddhar BOGAR @ Sri Veerabrahmmendhra. The Pranava Veda is a part of 'Aindhiram' that speaks on town planning, architecture and scientific vastu shastra. This was revealed by Siddhar Bogar in the recent times.
Viswabrahmins are the true brahmins. They are Deva brahmins. While the existing brahmins are called Dwija Brahmins. i.e., Viswabrahmins are brahmins by birth while Dwija brahmins attain this degree after the upanayana ritual and chanting the Gayathri. Manasara Shilpa shastra says "VISHWAKARMA KULE JAATHA GARBHA BRAHMANA NISCHAYAM, SHUDRATHVAM NAASTHI TAHTHU BEEJAM PRARTHNAM VISWAKRMANAHA". I translate it, "Those born in Viswakarma sect are born brahmins, their seeds (sperms) never attain Shudrathva'.
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I belong to sanaga rishi gotra. how exactly the words uttered during abhivadaye
Pranam .please chant bargava brigu clan select from samaveda Veda mantra and chant one out of it for 1000 times ,then claim we are vishwakarma .see all living and non living created by adimaaa nirguna nirakara,mother itself not telling about her creation y we ant like people struggle for castism .
Pranam .please chant bargava brigu clan select from samaveda Veda mantra and chant one out of it for 1000 times ,then claim we are vishwakarma .see all living and non living created by adimaaa nirguna nirakara,mother itself not telling about her creation y we ant like people struggle for castism .
Pranam .please chant bargava brigu clan select from samaveda Veda mantra and chant one out of it for 1000 times ,then claim we are vishwakarma .see all living and non living created by adimaaa nirguna nirakara,mother itself not telling about her creation y we ant like people struggle for castism .
Pranam .please chant bargava brigu clan select from samaveda Veda mantra and chant one out of it for 1000 times ,then claim we are vishwakarma .see all living and non living created by adimaaa nirguna nirakara,mother itself not telling about her creation y we ant like people struggle for castism .
We made casteism in the name of rishis .but actually all students belong to one rshi is considered his gotra again need not be his family .there were freedom for all to choose guru .again Veda is only one .that s rigveda only ,again mantra is path to become tat itself .later ego increased among students as well as teacher ,finally we end up in following purana ,now we follow caste sandyavandana.
How we went far from god by- sequential following system ,v first all rishi meditating on supreme space god later ego of teacher increased so Veda has documented .then pertaining to gurukul mantra has got start chant in mind and attained higher brahmavarchas ,later prathishaka came and followed brahmana ,aranyaka ,upanishad ,sutra,smriti,purana,upapurana .still we are thinking we r brahmin .we need to follow atleast brigu mantra and kasyapa mantra wch was followed by our ancesters but we chant only vishwamitra gayatri only .is it correct ? Please think on it
Only samhitha mantra is only devine origin rest of all is man maded .there s no higher caste and Lowe caste .all man made items are vishwakarma god only .all idol is man made all is vishwakarma .all people who worship idol is worshiping vishwakarma only .please if you are telling brahmin word please say after you have complete 1008.
number of chanting vedic mantras only
Can Vishwakarma marriage with kushik Brahmin ?
In the present day context, any brahmin can marry anybody. Madvirat Sri Veerabrahmendrar's prophecy says that brahmins will lose sheen and work as servants to Dalits who were hitherto suppressed. Apart from the rules of anuloma /prathiloma, every soul in every caste is Sadhashiva swaroopam. When their customs, cooking, eating, living style, cleanliness, prayer pattern and hospitality are acceptable to your standard then you accept them as your mainstream people. Don't you? When these comparative factors vary, you bluntly say 'oh! we don't like their abhyasa and style'. Then you pinpoint 'jaathi /gothra' as the main reason. This is the human tendency.
I need sanaga Gothram abhivathi
Sanatana gotram comes under brahimin please tell
Mr.Praveen Kumar, for your query on Abhivadhaye for Blacksmiths.
"Panchaarisheya pravaranvitha Ruk Saakhee, Manu Soothrah, Prithvee Thatvah, Brahmma Dravinah, Vasantha Ruthu, Trikona Kundah, Palaasa Dhanda, Ayo Vrudhih, Siva murthih, Thrivruth Sthomaa, Saanaga Brahmmarishi Gothra Praveen Kumar Sarma Ahambo Abhivadhaye."
Mr.Giridhar, carpenters come under the 'Maya Brahmma' மய பிரம்மா Viswakarma brahmins with Sanathana Gotham. Since 95% of the Viswakarma people have forgotten Sandhyaa Vandhanam, their face has lost glow and they don't look like Brahmins.
Who is Bailpatar
Who is Bailpatar
Bhargav Gothram comes under nampoothiri
Or nampiathiri
For me also
Sir i agree with the information you have given...i am not able to find some answer..even i am a vishwakarma brahmin..when we claim we are equal to brahmin's ...why dont all the vishwakarma brahmin's follow the same paddathi(diet)why is that some other state people eat nonveg??having same gothra and everything ....why is this ufollowing of paddathi happened?..i see the rate percentage of veg only in karnataka more compare to other states. why are every equal in everything like jains and brahmins?..why is that food diet difference??
Many Viswakarma achaaris deviated away from the Vedic studies and Gayathri. They do not know their Gothra. So they showed interest in drinking, smoking, eating non-veg and other bad vices. They developed their own habits, lifestyle and today a majority of them do not fit into the Brahmin category. Though they are equal to brahmins, they are coming under MBC category in community certificate. This is the situation. Till the late 18th century, some pandits and Vedic purohits existed in that community.
Thanks for the reply...but still there are people who knows everything and practice non-veg at houses...Now we know the problem right.why cant we all unit and stay in one paddathi?...
Their lifestyle has changed and not willing to learn or adhere. There is no glow on their faces. Paddathi should be inculcated by their parents and grand parents. More rational approach and adharmic practice are the reasons. Only the concerned individual who is serious about the kula-achaaram needs to change.
Sir m from dhiman caste i m vishwabrahmin or not nd should i marry in a shandilya gotra
Is dhiman's are brahmins
Dhimans are called visva brahmins but more of religious conversions and inter caste marriages are happening. So, what is the use of just having the name without learning the veda sampradaya?
It's called vishvabrahmin in Maharashtra too and basically only 5 surnames represent 5 gotras and all are gold smithy only no any other smithy. Sometime surname may be based on location but again during marriages they tell surname out of following five only. Pottdar and Ashekar are also common surnames but since its a designation they fall under one of the major following surname.
Gotra-Surname
Suparnasya - Vedpathak (Who read Veda's)
Sanaatana - Mahamuni ( word maha and muni(rishi), who is provider of knowledge)
Prathnasya - Dharmadhikar (dhrma+adhikari, chief in dharma)
Sanakasya - Dixit (Sanskrit word diksha, meaning provider of knowledge)
Ahabhounasya - Pandit (name itself says all)
This surenames are very rich indeed having very prestigious business in their pocket tells everything about their status in ancient society.
Date Panchang use to incorporate these surnames and gotra in their panchang but since last few years they stopped incorporating surnames not only these but all.
Hai Im from black smith and my girl friend has carpentry but we both having same surname but we r not relatives we both have same gotras or different gotras please tell me
I'm Acharya devadethe and from kerala.in Kerala the sub names for viswabrahmins is Acharya,achari and sharma.what about other states,what are sub names for viswabrahmins in other states
Hello sir , Vishwakarma suparna rishi gothram boy can marry abhuvana rishi girl or not ? . Because some one telling need to see the relation like brother or sister
Hello everybody, I am a vishvabhramin (Achari, Blacksmith) from Karnataka. I am very happy to see that our cast has not been completely forgotten. I might be very young to speak about a topic like this with you all as I am from a newer generation, well I am very keen and give lots of importance for our caste. And I have done quite a lot of research about our caste, not just through internet or reading articles like this, but also looking back at my own family history, which made me realise a lot of things.
We Vishwabhramins are descents of the Lord Vishwakarma. The 5 Vedas were derived from us. We were, we are and we will always be higher than the brahmins, but we must always respect the other castes too, like we did in the Vedic age. Brahmins were untouchable by other castes lower to them, and for us it applied the same way but we were untouchable by the brahmins too (not to be offensive), but we did not follow it much as we had a goal to achieve. We were the born for the betterment of the world, the blacksmiths, bronze smiths, goldsmiths, stonemasons and carpenters. Our main importance was to give the knowledge we have to the rest of the world (not to be obsessed with ourselves and show off), and we did what we were suppose to do. We taught each family a specific thing to do, and on what work they did they were named, and they made it their family occupation. As we had taught them different skills, we were their teachers, and therefor named achari/achariya, the teachers. And if we look deep into every Vishwabhramin, we will se able to see that we have skills from each of them, knowledge and intelligence, strength and leadership, selflessness, creativity, power and loyalty too, it can only be exposed if we want to desperately, and we choose what skills we want to expose.
But why do we belong in the OBC class now? This is according to what I have learnt and understood. We vishwabhramins are suppose to be more spiritual (paddathi) than Jains or Bhramins. We are not suppose to consume any prani-ahara (non veg food,not even fish like brahmins) and not even use any material made out of animal skin or any other parts. But many decades ago, as we worked pretty close with every cast, we, Vishvabhramins, started becoming desperate to eat nonveg. We used to consume nonveg hiddenly inside our homes, without anyone knowing, and when this information was leaked to the public, people stopped respecting us, and cut down most or all the privileges we deserved. Due to all the things we done for others people still had some amount of respect to us, but we started living as ordinary people, we had the essential skills, so we adapted more easily and quickly than others could. This is one of the reasons why we are spread across the hierarchy, from rich to poor, and from respected to un respected also. And since all vishwakarmas lived as one, everyone were punished.
As popularly opinionated, the vishwakarma caste is called atee-shudra in northern india as per classical hindu varna system. In nepal (hindu kingdom) the vishwakarma caste has historically been considered as untouchable (pani na chalne). Nowadays, in nepal the vishwakarma caste is called Kami (dalit). The occupations of masonry, carpentry, smithery, etc which are assigned to vishwakarma caste require manual labour. Therefore all barhai, mistri, tarkhan, vishwakarma and dhiman caste are included in OBC list. They are included in OBC list because of social backwardness and not just economic reasons.
None of the people I have encountered ever considered vishwakarma caste to be brahmin.
Kindly refer the central govt and state govt OBC list. Also, you could check the opinion of general public on this issue by visiting quora, yahoo, wikipedia, etc.
I am a Viswabrahma Takshan (Mayachari) .There are many mysteries behind our caste...but in modern world people don't care. Our Kula Devi is Adi parashakti...It is proved again and again by me..everyday.I feel we have a strong connection with the Adityas, panchabhootaas and Prakriti...parabrahma , moola mantra , rig Veda aspects...We have very short and smart and effective ways of aradhana,and karmas to reach parabrahma than the elaborate ones...
She is none other than Gayathri @ Visvabrahmmani, the Veda matha.
Govt must transfer dhiman Brahmin category from OBC to General
I totally agree with u. I respect your facts. Again we should fight to get General category from OBC.
One concept is baffling. Pancha Kammalars expect recognition on par as brahmins and at the same time want to retain OBC concession. If so, sapta rishi smartha brahmins can also demand reservation.
The Vishwakarma caste is considered Atee-Shudra in northern and central India. In Nepal (hindu kingdom) the Vishwakarma caste was considered Untouchable (pani na chalne). Nowadays, the Vishwakarma caste is given the status of Kami caste (Hill Dalit) in Nepal.
The occupations of masonry, carpentry, smithery, etc are all considered manual labour provided by the service caste. Therefore all the Vishwakarma castes like Barhai, Mistri, Tarkhan, Suthar, Lohar and Dhiman are included in central and state OBC list.
The Brahmins maintain that Vishwakarma caste is included in OBC list due to 'social backwardness' and not just economic reasons.
The Brahmins have gone to the extent of publishing their DNA test results online showing stark contrast between Brahmins and Vishwakarma caste. They claim that Tamil Brahmins have the European gene which is completely missing from Vishwakarma caste. Furthermore, they mentioned that Vishwakarma caste have a Mongolian gene which is not present in Tamil Brahmins.
As per the Brahmins, if a man from Vishwakarma caste marries a Brahmin woman then their offspring is considered a Chandal (Untouchable/Avarna/Outcaste).
In states where Brahmins have supremacy, people from Vishwakarma caste are forced to use surnames like Kumar, Chand and Singh in order to escape humiliation and mistreatment at the hands of Brahmins (and even other Dvija). Such states include Uttarakhand, Himachal Pradesh, Uttar Pradesh, Gujrat, Punjab, etc.
In the rural areas of many of these places, the Brahmins do not allow people of Vishwakarma caste to draw water from their wells.
None of the Brahmins I have encountered ever considered Vishwakarma caste to be Brahmin.
The people from Vishwakarma caste should rather strive to remove class hierarchy within their own caste. The Vishwakarma community should at least try and learn something from the Lingayat community.
Also, anyone can check the opinion of Brahmins
(or any Dvija) on this whole issue by visiting online websites like Quora, Yahoo, Wikipedia, etc.
No one wants any concession or reservation. We are against caste based discrimination. Also, we condemn the oppression of human beings on the basis of birth in any particular caste.
Personally I think people from Vishwakarma caste should start looking at what is happening within their own caste. There is so much division within the Vishwakarma caste itself. Then how do they expect any other caste to appreciate them?
What will happen even if the govt does transfer them to General category? Most Brahmins consider Vishwakarma caste to be lower caste (ati-shudra varna).
I fail to understand why we still run after the Brahmin tag rather than unite and reject all caste based discrimination.
I can assure you that no one considers Dhiman to be Brahmin. Actually the Brahmins openly address the people with this surname as Shudra. Seen this happen in Himachal, Uttarakhand and Delhi. So what are you talking about?
My dear friend in other states Vishwakarma caste is almost seen as untouchable. They are officially called Ati-Shudra by Brahmins.
I am skeptical about this theory of yours. I believe the Brahmins wanted exclusivity and do not want to include other communities in their caste.
This is proved by the Brahmins who go to great lengths in order to prove their racial superiority.
Nice post and good comments.
Gene theory is okay but the adhi manu srushti began in jambu dweepa or Lemuria continent. It is obvious that when it sank around the end of Dwapara Yuga, the adhi tamils migrated to as far as New Zealand, Australia Sumeria, Greece, Russia, African islands and Europe. Now in kaliyuga 5119, our DNA mapping would be continent based. I am of the opinion that the Jaravas of Andaman Nicobar are the original Aborigines of jambu dweepa where saint Agasthya created humans as per the command of Shiva. If we have to go by migratory DNA dominance then a lot has to be discussed. Pancha rishi and sapta rishi are totally different descendents and need not be confused. Brahmins originated from the lineage of Ursa Major ORION belt in North sky. So they are called ARYANS. Hence saptarishis are called so.
i am mohyal brahmin girl. i am going to marry anmol soni.
i have seen soni is vishwabrahmin but i have seen soni in obc list also
please someone tell me soni ( sonar) is vishwbrahmin or obc ???? please someone tell me more information about soni caste thanks
i am mohyal brahmin girl. i am going to marry anmol soni.
i have seen soni is vishwabrahmin but i have seen soni in obc list also
please someone tell me soni ( sonar) is vishwbrahmin or obc ???? please someone tell me more information about soni caste thanks
Ma'am... Actually caste categories like open obc sc st nt these are totally depending on the demographically and economically conditions of the state government of india so its means that our Indian caste system is not divided by the upper and lower system of the caste...we are categorized by the economical and demographical conditions...so the conclusion is , soni are vishwabrahmin under the OBC category because our population are minimum than other local brahmin...there are more than 800 sub cast in brahmin community in India...so the vishwabrahmins are one of from the brahmin category which is the oldest and first Brahmin community of Indian history...we have so many evidence which proven that we are shaivakaalin brahmin...
Pls someone tell me How to find my Surname?My elder said to me that my Gotra is Suparnas and my kuldevata is Kalikadevi.All my family tree members have expert in Painting,Music, Sculpture,gold design work,maths, Science,Aurvedic treatments,and devotionally interested in Advait vedanta.pls help ume
Pls someone tell me How to find my Surname?My elder said to me that my Gotra is Suparnas and my kuldevata is Kalikadevi.All my family tree members have expert in Painting,Music, Sculpture,gold design work,maths, Science,Aurvedic treatments,and devotionally interested in Advait vedanta.pls help 9423438919
Viswakarmas of north are saptarshi gotras ,and that of south are saptarshi and pourusheya mix .I'm a from south belong to bharadwaja gotta carpentry work by father following atharva veda.most south people follow atharva some yajus,some sama veda
They are highest brahmins ,following angira viswakarma atharva vedis also.their origin mentioned in puranas and mahabharata u comes under aarsheya brahmins
Yes they can marry anyone but they have to accept Vishwakarma is the ultimate god our caste and religion is viswabrahminism
The first sentence itself is an ignorant one. I didn't like to go further. Sorry.
I am Sreekanth Karanam. Can someone please share any details about Kalabhavasa muni?
Thanks in advance.
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